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Is Jesus God?
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 4:24 am
by v_serkov
18 And a ruler asked him, "Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?" 19 And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone
That means that Jesus didn't name himself as God.I wonder whose idea was to call Jesus God?
Re: Is Jesus God?
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 1:04 pm
by lady of shallot
pretty much the same people who invented God and Jesus. Mythological thinking comes from the same well.
Re: Is Jesus God?
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 2:18 pm
by Suzanne
Since God cannot have intercourse with a human female, and cannot impregnate a human female, God created Jesus from himself. Jesus does not have a mother, Jesus is a part of God, therefore, Jesus is God.
This is how it was explained to me by a catholic nun anyway.
Re: Is Jesus God?
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 4:12 pm
by Vishnu
Suzanne wrote:Since God cannot ... and cannot...
Ah, so they admit that god is not omnipotent then.
Re: Is Jesus God?
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 4:16 pm
by Vishnu
v_serkov wrote:I wonder whose idea was to call Jesus God?
This probably stems from how people interpreted John 10:30-34
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
And interesting line at the end there. So if this IS supposed to be taken to mean that Jesus is god, then by Jesus's own words(well, he's quoting Psalms actually), we are ALL gods as well.
Re: Is Jesus God?
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 4:42 pm
by Stuart Mason
Jesus was the Word(Logos).
John 1:1-14 wrote:
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[5] And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
[6] There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
[7] The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
[8] He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
[9] That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
[10] He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
[11] He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
[12] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
[14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Re: Is Jesus God?
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:05 am
by v_serkov
The words of this nun conflicts with the dogma about pure conception.Who is holy Mary then?
As far as I know Chtistians call her mother of God.Moreover , as church says that Mary concieved by
the holy spirit,which is the same as God (the concept of the holy trinity).And how can we
interpret Jesus's words: "I'm not good ,because God is good alone" Doesn't that mean that Jesus
was saying about himself like not about God? .Or we can just miss these words and say,
Oh, it's not so important for our faith like priests do when I ask them something.
I also wonder how do they know what God can or cannot do .Does religious philosophy tell them?
But it's just philosophy nor more nor less
Re: Is Jesus God?
Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:11 pm
by johnson1010
well... "Jesus" couldn't have been "the word" because that word didn't exist 14.7* billion years ago.
Re: Is Jesus God?
Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:30 pm
by v_serkov
They just do not know themselves how else to call Jesus
Re: Is Jesus God?
Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:01 pm
by Suzanne
You can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay, or you can call me Johnny or you can call me Sonny, or you can call me RayJay, or you can call me RJ… but ya doesn’t hafta call me Johnson
Bill Saluga