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Should countries outlaw the hijab, niqab and burka?

http://cloudmind.info/hijab-niqab-and-burka-faq/

More and more Muslims are immigrating into western nations with varying degrees of success.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thXCb1V ... r_embedded

Canada, not generally known as racist or intolerant, being a nation of immigrants, do not seem to have much use or tolerance for Muslim customs and having a religion dictate what women will wear, how they will be beaten and how they cannot refuse sex to their masters. Men.

http://www.therebel.media/in_quebec_the ... e=therebel

Is Canada becoming intolerant and fed up with religions or is there some other reason for Canadian hard line against the hijab, niqab and burka?

What of the U.S.?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqAJGXI5l88
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEHQU3w7Drc

Canada has not had a lot of problems to date. A few Honor killings when the young have refused to dress in the traditional way. I think that I would vote with the vast majority just to end Canadian Honor killings. I also see this as a safety issue in the sense that in a nation where so many do a lot of driving, to add blind spots caused by head and face wear seems like a poor idea.

To be frank though, I see Christianity and Islam as homophobic and misogynous religions and would vote for any measure that would reduce misogyny.

Are the large majority in Canada and elsewhere who would outlaw the hijab, niqab and burka wrong?

Regards
DL

Let's outlaw the Bible too, Gnostic Stalin!

ant wrote:Let's outlaw the Bible too, Gnostic Stalin!

I would like to do just that as all Islam is doing is following in Christianity's footsteps.

Regards
DL

Yes let's do that in the Name of Freedom.

This is about tolerance of intolerance.

Imagine someone wearing a tee shirt with the slogan

I AM ACTIVELY ORGANIZING TO SUPPRESS YOUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND THOUGHT

This is a direct explicit statement of sedition of core values and laws of all western societies, but is quite in accord with Islam. Maybe it is no better or worse than some other outrageous slogans that people wear. Maybe someone might even want to wear it as a sort of ironic quasi-burqa. Wearing jihadi clothes like the burqa and niqab says the same thing implicitly.

LanDroid wrote:Yes let's do that in the Name of Freedom.

Laugh for this girl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY4gNBf2n3o

Laugh even harder for these.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Mecc ... chool_fire

Would you like more to laugh about?

Regards
DL

In case you might not have heard there has been a bombing in a concert hall and several shootings in Paris in the past few hours. I don't know who is responsible yet.
It seems to have been coordinated. http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2 ... paris-live

Whether it's connected with militant Islamists or not I don't think the heavy handed approach of some European governments to issues like whether woman can wear burqa's etc in public is going to help community relations.

Flann 5 wrote:In case you might not have heard there has been a bombing in a concert hall and several shootings in Paris in the past few hours. I don't know who is responsible yet.
It seems to have been coordinated. http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2 ... paris-live

Whether it's connected with militant Islamists or not I don't think the heavy handed approach of some European governments to issues like whether woman can wear burqa's etc in public is going to help community relations.

Yet Islam will not stop oppressing their women in free countries without some heavy handedness.

Should we just ignore that they keep slaves in our free countries?

Regards
DL

I don't see how outlawing articles of clothing is going to do anything except limit personal freedoms. There are many different reasons that Muslims wear the hijab, niqab and burka. Many Muslin women choose to wear these. As with Christianity, religious expression has a very wide range. So, yes, the burka especially can be seen as a symbol of oppression, but it's used in many other contexts as well.

The recent news in Paris doesn't change my mind on this issue. I don't think outlawing the burka is going to do anything to alter the path of Islamic extremism, which must be dealt with by the civilized world in the harshest possible manner..

Gnostic's link has some good info.

http://cloudmind.info/hijab-niqab-and-burka-faq/

geo wrote:I don't see how outlawing articles of clothing is going to do anything except limit personal freedoms. There are many different reasons that Muslims wear the hijab, niqab and burka. Many Muslin women choose to wear these.

These attacks are horrific and I'm not saying they are in any way justified.


Many Muslims in Europe are feeling marginalized including by these kinds of laws. All I'm saying is that it just feeds in to the perceptions of the more extreme groups.
Are they going to stop? No,but it's unwise of governments to introduce heavy handed laws targeting a particular group for no good reason.
Here's how the debate is presented in relation to France. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkitwC9HSOc