Suzanne
So, Frank, show me. Where is your legitimate evidence that God does not exist?
There is none.
There is no credible evidence that God does exist.
You are exactly right on both counts, and if you review my many posts you will find that I have never denied the possibility of some kind of god, I simply do not think its existence likely in the light of no evidence.
I do not believe in things like unicorns, fairies, hobbits, dragons and goblins for the same reason, my standards are equal across the board.
I notice that the religious wave their standards for their religious beliefs, even though the supporting evidence is exactly the same as it is for the aforementioned mythical/fictional creatures that they (for the most part) do not believe in either.
Of course, (and this is the real point) I have NOT debated the existence of god with TH, I have challenged his claim that there is an empirical spiritual existence… and I have challenged his claim that atheism leads people to behave badly and to Nazism/totalitarian regimes.
Neither of those claims is supported by any convincing evidence… in fact both are easily shown to be false.
TH holds on to his views despite the massive amount of credible counter evidence…
But I have never had a discussion about the existence of god with TH… so I do not know where your critique is aimed.
Suzanne
If a critical thinker relies on evidence, and the subject of debate is subjective, and carries no evidence, you can not apply critical thinking to the debate. It becomes a debate over opinions. Opinions are never wrong, you may disagree, but without that magic evidence, you can never say opinions are incorrect. No matter how forceful you say it, you have an opinion, and nothing else.
I will continue with the god question despite the fact that it is not what has been the subject of disagreement in the past…
To me the debate is not weather god exists or not… as you say it is not possible to address this critically/rationally without evidence... unless claims are made on the behalf of the god that are testable... like “prayers are granted by said god...” claims like these are testable and all have failed to date.
In my opinion the debate is why the religious believe these ridiculous claims without evidence when they normally require evidence for other beliefs of such importance.
If a man showed up at your front door (even a well dressed, respectable looking man) claiming that Zeus was going to destroy your house with a thunder bolt, I seriously doubt that you would evacuate your home, pets and property without some kind of convincing evidence. The effort is extraneous considering the infinitesimal chance he is correct with no supporting material.
Most people would likely politely dismiss this person thinking him a nut job and go back to what ever they were doing… and rightly so.
The same holds true of god and his threats on your soul… why is it ok to dismiss Zeus and not the claims made on behalf of Christ/God?
This is a double standard that most religious people are victim to and critical thinkers see this.
The religious most often times do not.
Of course when we ask for evidence from them to confirm their claims they say that we are “militant” and “unfair”.
Look back through the posts… no atheists here have made any claims that they cannot back up… for the most part we are asking for clarification of terms and evidence to support obviously false claims made by others and providing evidence that support our positions.
I do not recall any atheist on this site ever making definite claims about gods not existing… except defined gods.
If you want to defend TH that is fine, but remember he views atheists as prone to Nazism and bigotry and it shows in his posts.
You may ignore it if you wish, but I will defend my integrity and way of thinking as acceptable.
If you find me to be rude in the process so be it, but I am only mirroring the respect (or lack there of) that I have been shown so far.
Later
That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.