How many people responsible for terror attacks and mass shootings have entered the country illegally from Mexico?

And a little bit of heroin never ain't hurt nobahdy neither, huh???



Down with sovereign nations!!!

Down with codified laws!!

Down with borders!!!!

You're all certainly welcomed in the other guy's neighborhood.. papers or not!!!

Significant amounts of heroin are entering with individuals on foot crossing the border? The bulk of drugs get in via vehicles and planes. Diseases don't come in with immigrants, either. Building a wall will
probably do more harm than good, and there are many better things to spend $25 billion on. Like the president's welcome 2016 pledge to repair infrastructure.

Wanting to get the facts straight doesn't equal favoring open borders. That's a caricature of Democrats' position

DWill wrote:Significant amounts of heroin are entering with individuals on foot crossing the border? The bulk of drugs get in via vehicles and planes. Diseases don't come in with immigrants, either. Building a wall will
probably do more harm than good, and there are many better things to spend $25 billion on. Like the president's welcome 2016 pledge to repair infrastructure.

Wanting to get the facts straight doesn't equal favoring open borders. That's a caricature of Democrats' position

Most heroin is packed in secret compartments built into private vehicles' door panels, seats, bumpers, drive shafts or tires. Heroin is even hidden in spaces built inside gas tanks. Smugglers also conceal it in a variety of intricately altered objects: coolers, hollowed-out firewood, baby strollers, soda cans, fire extinguishers.

At porous locations.. what can be traversed by foot can also be traversed by auto That's not difficult to understand.
Illegal entry also includes entry by vehicles with no structures to prevent entry.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... e/9713909/

ant wrote:

How many people responsible for terror attacks and mass shootings have entered the country illegally from Mexico?

And a little bit of heroin never ain't hurt nobahdy neither, huh???



Down with sovereign nations!!!

Down with codified laws!!

Down with borders!!!!

You're all certainly welcomed in the other guy's neighborhood.. papers or not!!!

What are you talking about? Can you give one example of anyone stating we should have open borders? Down with sovereign nations? Down with codified laws? I recommend 2mg Ativan. Very good for that anxiety disorder.

Lou wrote:I'm all for border integrity but there's no reason why a wall must be erected RIGHT NOW or "I'll shut down the government!" (Stamps feet, pouts).

Would you kindly direct your attention to the first 5 words above? Geez, all of a sudden Trump doesn't get a wall and the apocalypse is upon us.

ant wrote:

Most heroin is packed in secret compartments built into private vehicles' door panels, seats, bumpers, drive shafts or tires. Heroin is even hidden in spaces built inside gas tanks. Smugglers also conceal it in a variety of intricately altered objects: coolers, hollowed-out firewood, baby strollers, soda cans, fire extinguishers.

At porous locations.. what can be traversed by foot can also be traversed by auto That's not difficult to understand.
Illegal entry also includes entry by vehicles with no structures to prevent entry.

OK, granted, some drugs could be stopped either by denying entry into the country or by putting up a wall on the entire border. What percentage of the current volume would that be stopping, and is there any doubt that smugglers would just find other means of getting drugs in? Demand in this country incentivizes suppliers to be creative with exports.

K, granted, some drugs could be stopped either by denying entry into the country or by putting up a wall on the entire border. What percentage of the current volume would that be stopping,

If it helps to stop at least 1% of the volume, and that 1%, if not prevented, would have lead to the death of one human being dying from a heroin overdose that broke the hearts of family and friends, or prevented a heroin addicted baby from being born to a heroin addict, IT'S WORTH IT TO ME.

Trump is actually calling for walls to be built in select areas along the border, not the sea to shining sea (paid for by Mexico) wall that was promised when he was campaigning. It's difficult to find any kind of good will towards Trump, due to the general circus atmosphere of his presidency and the constant barrage of lies and distortions coming out of this administration. But give the Devil his due, it might actually make some sense to bolster our borders with a few more walls and fences.

Of course, since Trump has already cut taxes, the $5 billion he wants would have to be borrowed, right? Because unfortunately recent massive tax cut will not "pay for itself" as Trump and the Republicans had claimed. More lies. And more debt.

So I'm not sure what Trump derangement syndrome is, but there's a good chance I might have it.

Then how about the 5 billion Trump wants, in exchange for letting the Dreamers stay, with no other reform strings attached? If there are indeed areas where walls would help solve the problem, with 5 billion you should be able to cover those.

ant wrote:

K, granted, some drugs could be stopped either by denying entry into the country or by putting up a wall on the entire border. What percentage of the current volume would that be stopping,

If it helps to stop at least 1% of the volume, and that 1%, if not prevented, would have lead to the death of one human being dying from a heroin overdose that broke the hearts of family and friends, or prevented a heroin addicted baby from being born to a heroin addict, IT'S WORTH IT TO ME.

I sympathize, and someone whose family has been has suffered as a result of the opioid epidemic might feel as you do about stopping every bit of heroin from coming in from Mexico. I'm saying that harm reduction is best served by measures proven to have the greatest impact, since there are limits to what we can do to cut off supply, even if we had unlimited funds to try. Building a border wall to reduce addiction and death would appear to be one of the least effective measures. The diversion of effort and money to that mode of prevention would actually mean that more people would become addicted and die.

This gets into the whole War on Drugs controversy, which would take us a long while to hash out.

Even if you have a wall, you need to patrol it, and devote all the same resources. Because a wall doesn't actually stop the traffic. It only serves as a speed bump in the desert.

I'd think resources would be better spent on a fleet of drones specialized in identifying foot traffic and alerting border patrol. They already use this to great effect, but it's localized. Perhaps that wouldn't work, but I think the answer is some sort of monitoring technology that alerts border patrol, rather than a glorified speed bump.