Robert Tulip wrote:Doulos wrote:(Interbane: Is Robert demonstrating the 'integrity' you spoke of?)
Okay Doulos lets go through your comment line by line to demonstrate your scurrilous tactics...
I am completely happy to be proved wrong if the evidence supports Doulos. But we all know the reality - Jesus did not exist and apologists are just used to getting their way with empty assertions and appeals to authority, so they don't like it when people expose their faith as blind.
Sorry Doulos, the standards here are slightly higher than that.
(Please see Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:01 am for Robert's full post)
My apologies if you see any "ad hominem abuse." If you look at the context of my conversation with Interbane, we were discussing intellectual integrity in admitting when their viewpoint is wrong, not the broader sense of ethical integrity.
Might I point you to your own posts though, since you raise the ad hominem issue.
You have used the phrases:
"pathetic", "mindless", "tub thumping evangelism" (Robert Tulip's Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:54 pm post)
"naive", "Cat got your tongue" (Robert Tulip's Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:12 am post)
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Goggle eyed apologist", "Garbage", "flimsy straw-clutching", "Gospel tinted apologist glasses" (Robert Tulip's Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:39 am post)
If you are going to complain about ad hominem attacks, I'm all for limiting it. Might I suggest that you begin with your own posts.
For someone who throws out a lot of trash talk, you seem very thin skinned when even mild turns of phrase touch you
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The Actual Topic:
You asserted that there is "absence of definitive early citation" before Irenaeus in 180 AD (see your post Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:16 am)
I gave you 3 texts which include definitive early citation:
- Ignatius (30-110 AD) quotes Matthew, John, Acts, Romans, I Corinthians, Ephesians, Phillipians, Galatians, Colossians, James, I and II Thessalonians, I and II Timothy, and I Peter.
- 'Epistle of Barnabas' (dated 70-130 AD) cites Matthew, and Mark
- 'Shepherd of Hermas' (dated 80-90 AD) cites John, the synoptic Gospels, Ephesians, 1 Peter, Hebrews, James and the Book of Revelations.
Sorry, I'm not going to post several pages of text here and spam the room. You've already demonstrated you know where to find the texts.
If you want to demonstrate high standards, might I suggest you deal with all 3 of the texts. Once you're done, I can post other texts which are pre-Irenaeas...