I personally would never claim that human logic is endowed with "omniscient infallibility." That is an absolutely ridiculous claim.ant wrote:Intellectual atheists deceive themselves in a belief that our formal system of human logic is endowed with an omniscient infallibility that grants license to proclaim the nature of reality. However, the laws of nature and whatever governs them are NOT laws of logic, nor are they analogous to the laws of logic. . . . .
I also don't know much about Godel's supposed ontological proof. That also sounds fairly ridiculous. I never said everything can be boiled down to a mathematical formula or otherwise explained by science. I think I've said several times that there are plenty of holes in our knowledge and probably always will be. Where science can't give us an answer is never proof that religious belief can.
Ultimately it sounds like you're saying that science is a belief system on par with religious belief. You usually hear this from the Young Earth Creationist or the Intelligent Design brands of faith, so it's interesting that you do bring ID into the discussion.
Yes, it's true that humans regularly engage in the art of bullshit as a means to rationalize belief. But there's one important distinction between real scientific knowledge and pseudo-scientific babble (the domain of ID). Real science produces real world results.
So you can talk all you want, but the real test is what does science say about the real world that can be empirically tested and shown to be true through observation and repeatable experiments.
We have a high degree of confidence, for example, that the moon is about 4.5 billion years old, that it orbits the earth (in 27 days, 7 hours, 43 minutes, 11.6 seconds), and that it has virtually no atmosphere. If you want to know about the moon, you would rely on the scientific method to find out. You wouldn't ask a proponent of Intelligent Design.
What truth about the world has been yielded by the scientific method? It would probably take thousands or even millions of volumes to list them all.
What truth about the world has ever been yielded by the Intelligent Design belief system? Name one thing. You can't because the real world is not even the domain of religious belief just as God is not the domain of science.
And, yet, faith in science is on par with religious belief?
The ID Pretenders rationalize and couch their bullshit in scientific-sounding language, and if you can't tell the difference between the two, it is because you are ignorant about the workings of science or you don't really want objective truth.
There's also a very real difference between the speculative and philosophical stages of scientific inquiry and what Intelligent Design does which is Post Hoc rationalizations of a priori belief. Again, if you can't see the difference, than you're not really looking for objective truth.