Is God the epitome of both good and evil?

[Flann 5]

When you can name your God, I am, and mean yourself, then you will begin to know the only God you will ever find.

He never said that he himself is God, didn't even come anywhere near that.

[Movie Nerd]

When you can name your God, I am, and mean yourself, then you will begin to know the only God you will ever find.

He never said that he himself is God, didn't even come anywhere near that.

That's not him saying he is God, but him saying that the "true God" is the good we find within ourselves. It's the God of the Conscience, or the God of right over wrong. Which is different from someone thinking they are God, or thinking that they are more than anyone else.

[Gnostic Bishop]

Rome did take the O. T. genocidal tyrant and turned him into a softer gentler God for sure but I do not agree that Jesus was all that good to women. If you look at his no divorce policy you will see that it is not only immoral it is also anti-love as it forced people to stay married regardless of how bad the marriage is.

I'm not familiar with any passages attributing Jesus' teachings on women or marriage, but I recall the scripture with the adulteress, where he said, "He who is without sin cast the first stone." That alone seems like a decent attitude towards women, but I would like to see what you're getting at, if you have any scripure verses I can look up.

Matthew 19;3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?

8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Nowhere in scriptures that I know of does Jesus or God allow women to choose to divorce.

That is quite unjust as it would force women to stay in un-loving situations.

The above quote shows that men were in the same unjust boat except for adultery and if they did divorce for some other reason they would be branded as adulterers if they did find a loving woman.

Jesus seems to favor let no man put asunder which would be totally unjust as it forbids any in a loveless relationship to find love.

You will note that better than 60% of all Christians have been divorced so it seems that they do not like the no divorce option either.

Regards
DL

[Gnostic Bishop]

Honestly Bishop!
Banging on about how evil you think the God of the bible is.
Could it be that what really bothers you is that he is just and righteous and not evil?

Again you went for too many issues. Stay on topic or some might think that you are trying to deflect to me.

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt

Shall we look at how righteous and good your God is? Please give an answer to this simple question.

Is God a just judge?

This speaks of Jesus.
He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

The above quote shows this as God's first actual judgement and shows his setting and accepting a bribe of a human sacrifice to corrupt or alter his justice and judgement.

Justice usually states that only the punishment of the guilty is acceptable to justice and that it would be unjust to punish the innocent.

God’s corruption of this usual justice is what the bribe or sacrifice of Jesus bought. Injustice.

If you elect your judges in your country, would you vote God in as a fair and just judge knowing that he can be bribed?

Is God a just judge?

Regards
DL

[Gnostic Bishop]

When you can name your God, I am, and mean yourself, then you will begin to know the only God you will ever find.

He never said that he himself is God, didn't even come anywhere near that.

That's not him saying he is God, but him saying that the "true God" is the good we find within ourselves. It's the God of the Conscience, or the God of right over wrong. Which is different from someone thinking they are God, or thinking that they are more than anyone else.

Eloquent perfection.

As a rough speaking Frenchman, I would love to have your tongue and temperament.

You seem to understand the concept I sell quite accurately and to my shame can express it better than I can. Full respect to you on this.

Regards
DL

[Chris OConnor]

That's not him saying he is God, but him saying that the "true God" is the good we find within ourselves. It's the God of the Conscience, or the God of right over wrong. Which is different from someone thinking they are God, or thinking that they are more than anyone else.

It certainly is very different, but to this agnostic atheist it doesn't make any sense at all. Why call the conscience God? Why not just call the conscience the conscience?

Can one pray to their conscience? Does the conscience reward or punish the individual? If a person lacks a conscience does God suddenly cease to exist? It must because you're saying God is the conscience so if the conscience ends so must God. What sort of a deity is that?

To me a God must be a supernatural entity or it isn't really a God. A God either exists or does not exist and that existence shouldn't be tied to whether the God is perceived, worshiped or believed to exist.

If a being brought life to Earth billions of years ago and allowed it to evolve that being isn't a God unless it operates outside of the laws of physics. If it abides by the same laws we do it is an alien life form.

[Movie Nerd]

That's not him saying he is God, but him saying that the "true God" is the good we find within ourselves. It's the God of the Conscience, or the God of right over wrong. Which is different from someone thinking they are God, or thinking that they are more than anyone else.

It certainly is very different, but to this agnostic atheist it doesn't make any sense at all. Why call the conscience God? Why not just call the conscience the conscience?

Can one pray to their conscience? Does the conscience reward or punish the individual? If a person lacks a conscience does God suddenly cease to exist? It must because you're saying God is the conscience so if the conscience ends so must God. What sort of a deity is that?

To me a God must be a supernatural entity or it isn't really a God. A God either exists or does not exist and that existence shouldn't be tied to whether the God is perceived, worshiped or believed to exist.

If a being brought life to Earth billions of years ago and allowed it to evolve that being isn't a God unless it operates outside of the laws of physics. If it abides by the same laws we do it is an alien life form.

This of course brings into question what one defines as God. Einstein and Sagan both refered to the laws of physics as God, though they didn't mean God in the supernatural manner.

When we answer the question of God's existence, by what definition are we asking? Are we asking based on religious tradition already established, or without bias?

[Movie Nerd]

Rome did take the O. T. genocidal tyrant and turned him into a softer gentler God for sure but I do not agree that Jesus was all that good to women. If you look at his no divorce policy you will see that it is not only immoral it is also anti-love as it forced people to stay married regardless of how bad the marriage is.

I'm not familiar with any passages attributing Jesus' teachings on women or marriage, but I recall the scripture with the adulteress, where he said, "He who is without sin cast the first stone." That alone seems like a decent attitude towards women, but I would like to see what you're getting at, if you have any scripure verses I can look up.

Matthew 19;3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?

8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Nowhere in scriptures that I know of does Jesus or God allow women to choose to divorce.

That is quite unjust as it would force women to stay in un-loving situations.

The above quote shows that men were in the same unjust boat except for adultery and if they did divorce for some other reason they would be branded as adulterers if they did find a loving woman.

Jesus seems to favor let no man put asunder which would be totally unjust as it forbids any in a loveless relationship to find love.

You will note that better than 60% of all Christians have been divorced so it seems that they do not like the no divorce option either.

Regards
DL

Thanks for the references. It helps me to better understand.

[Movie Nerd]

Eloquent perfection.

As a rough speaking Frenchman, I would love to have your tongue and temperament.

You seem to understand the concept I sell quite accurately and to my shame can express it better than I can. Full respect to you on this.

Regards
DL

Thanks mate. It was no big deal; I personally understood what you were saying just fine, and I think many other people would have understood you as well. I think Flann might have nitpicked for whatever reason, but I guess we all stumble over some things so I won't bash him on it too hard.

[Flann 5]

Here are a few simple questions for you Bishop.
Does evil exist? What is it's origin and what is it?

Justice usually states that only the punishment of the guilty is acceptable to justice and that it would be unjust to punish the innocent.
God’s corruption of this usual justice is what the bribe or sacrifice of Jesus bought. Injustice.

I've already pointed out that Christ's sacrifice was voluntary,and neither coerced or imposed upon him. He chose to do it.
You are simply distorting Christianity.
I expect you will not attempt to answer these questions about evil either.
You believe Christ's teachings are unjust.O.K.
How do you decide what is morally good and evil and to whom are you accountable?
You say Rome turned the old testament tyrant into a softer gentler God.
So you still believe Atwill's cockamamie story that a Caesar got Josephus to write the gospels,even though Tacitus says there were lots of Christians in Rome before the time Josephus supposedly wrote the fictional gospels?