Preachers, Priests quitely embrace the Christ myth!!!

[Robert Tulip]

When someone receives value passing themselves off as something which they are not, that is fraud.

For example when a creationist pretends to be honest or intelligent?

The proof in this case is the secretiveness involved.

The unwillingness of Christians to confess that they do not believe that Jesus Christ was a literal historical person is due to the extensive persecution by the church of people who have been honest and intelligent enough to expose the Big Lie of Christianity. Christian churches are full of liars, people who claim to be loving and forgiving but who are actually dogmatic bigots.

[stahrwe]

When someone receives value passing themselves off as something which they are not, that is fraud.

For example when a creationist pretends to be honest or intelligent?

The proof in this case is the secretiveness involved.

The unwillingness of Christians to confess that they do not believe that Jesus Christ was a literal historical person is due to the extensive persecution by the church of people who have been honest and intelligent enough to expose the Big Lie of Christianity. Christian churches are full of liars, people who claim to be loving and forgiving but who are actually dogmatic bigots.

Classic RT diversion. That is not what Murdock was talking about but you are right. It is almost impossible to be a Christian and not be guilty of some hypocracy, and the churh is full of such people. The difference is that many, perhaps even most of us are their because we recognize our failures and are trying to lead better lives. The ones Murdock brags about complimenting her are just liars and frauds.

[stahrwe]

Pelle sub agnina latitat mens saepe lupina
Matthew 7:15-16

"Surprise?"

[tat tvam asi]

The difference is that many, perhaps even most of us are their because we recognize our failures and are trying to lead better lives. The ones Murdock brags about complimenting her are just liars and frauds.

Murdock is speaking about many who were formerly preachers and priests mind you, and some which are still involved. So this blanket accusation doesn't quite fit the bill Stahrwe. I'm sure that you're right in some of the cases and yet wrong in some of the others. Some may be intentionally fraudulent and liars on purpose.

But the bottom line is that Christianity is by all means the Fraud of the Ages in and of itself, the very belief system itself. That associates all professing Christians as part of this large scale fraud which has gone out into the world and sought to eliminate all competition with exclusive claims to salvation and the afterlife. This entire enterprise is firmly rooted in spiritual fraud right from the very beginning of it's origins. You are an agent of fraudulent false doctrine Stahrwe and share in this accusation right along side of the others. Let's not be ashamed to call it as it is. So I'd be careful as to how you label others Stahrwe...

[Azrael]

Its going to happen evenually, an earth shattering disaster that's going to rock the globe and people will find that all the praying and supporting these money grubbing churches and pulpit pimps isn't going to help them one damn bit. Millions have been suckered in, blinded by the fraud of faith, left home less in the streets. The doctrine of christianity is simple "shaft the people, they will come."

[stahrwe]

Its going to happen evenually, an earth shattering disaster that's going to rock the globe and people will find that all the praying and supporting these money grubbing churches and pulpit pimps isn't going to help them one damn bit. Millions have been suckered in, blinded by the fraud of faith, left home less in the streets. The doctrine of christianity is simple "shaft the people, they will come."

Perhaps a better username would be Popoff.

How about:

George williams
William and Catherine booth
George Mueller
Mother Teresa
Sabine Baring-Gould
Horatio Spafford

The above don't even begin to scratch the surface.

[Robert Tulip]

we recognize our failures and are trying to lead better lives.

Stahrwe's claim that Christians 'recognize our failures' is so dishonest. If Christians actually wished to recognize their failures they would invite DM Murdock and people like her to their pulpits to preach about the real failures in intellect within Christianity. They would not make ignorant knee-jerk condemnations of scholars who are trying to find the truth of Christian origins. Christians do not invite Murdock to speak, and they ignore or belittle what she does say, because Christians wish to hide and deny their failures, especially the biggest failure of all, the failure of honesty in the world-historical swindle at the origins of their faith.

Christian teachings such as how forgiveness requires repentance, and how the truth will set you free, can take on a whole new meaning when the real story of the dishonesty within the Biblical stories is confronted explicitly. Christians are chained in a web of lies, and need to recognize their failure of intellect through an honest reading of the Bible.

[Azrael]

Inviting someone to shed truth on their lie is not exactly something that would fill the tithe plates. You see it's like living in the desert after a while you don't feel the heat as much same with christianlienity.

[stahrwe]

we recognize our failures and are trying to lead better lives.

Stahrwe's claim that Christians 'recognize our failures' is so dishonest. If Christians actually wished to recognize their failures they would invite DM Murdock and people like her to their pulpits to preach about the real failures in intellect within Christianity. They would not make ignorant knee-jerk condemnations of scholars who are trying to find the truth of Christian origins. Christians do not invite Murdock to speak, and they ignore or belittle what she does say, because Christians wish to hide and deny their failures, especially the biggest failure of all, the failure of honesty in the world-historical swindle at the origins of their faith.

Christian teachings such as how forgiveness requires repentance, and how the truth will set you free, can take on a whole new meaning when the real story of the dishonesty within the Biblical stories is confronted explicitly. Christians are chained in a web of lies, and need to recognize their failure of intellect through an honest reading of the Bible.

Murdock is welcome to come to my church anytime she wants and speak provided we can question her. In fact, I would love for her to come.

Popoff can come too.

ps, are there any videos of Murdock debating evangelicals, serious evangelicals?

[Azrael]

we recognize our failures and are trying to lead better lives.

Stahrwe's claim that Christians 'recognize our failures' is so dishonest. If Christians actually wished to recognize their failures they would invite DM Murdock and people like her to their pulpits to preach about the real failures in intellect within Christianity. They would not make ignorant knee-jerk condemnations of scholars who are trying to find the truth of Christian origins. Christians do not invite Murdock to speak, and they ignore or belittle what she does say, because Christians wish to hide and deny their failures, especially the biggest failure of all, the failure of honesty in the world-historical swindle at the origins of their faith.

Christian teachings such as how forgiveness requires repentance, and how the truth will set you free, can take on a whole new meaning when the real story of the dishonesty within the Biblical stories is confronted explicitly. Christians are chained in a web of lies, and need to recognize their failure of intellect through an honest reading of the Bible.

Stahrwe's claim that Christians 'recognize our failures' is so dishonest.

Robert does this surprise you? Dishonesty seems to be a trait they have perfected for the last 2000 years.