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Is internet porn ruining our next generation? Is censorship the answer?

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Re: Is internet porn ruining our next generation? Is censorship the answer?

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governments who control the net would pull it down if they ever thought they had actually lost control of it.
North Korea, Cuba, and China are just three examples of countries that own/control access to the world wide web, the theory these nations operate under is totalitarian, for them it is about the elimination of criticism of their particular regimes. The eastern countries among others mentioned that block porn are blocking much more, they are blocking the free exchange of ideas, Its called oppression.

Blocking porn, can as you wrote, be done, it should be done but in most countries, the net is owned by private enterprise that are protected by obscenity laws, free speech laws, the vagueness doctrine just to mention three forms of protection and censorship. these are all determined locally, what may be deemed as material that should be blocked in community "A" might not be deemed as material that should be blocked in community "B".
The net genie is out of the bottle, it is not going away unless the entire system is eliminated, there are people who think this way, they are called anarcho-primitivist, they see the net and computational technology as the downfall of the human race.
In the 1990's U.S Navy researchers, U.S DOD researchers developed TOR, The Onion Router, this was designed for the purpose of transferring classified materials', TOR was soon released to the public domain, Now these Virtual Private Networks are used by over 400 million internet users world wide. In essence, what we have is a global black market. Have you heard of Silk road? Bit coin?, The deep/dark net. TOR and other similar router system/programs provide serious anonymity to those 400 million global users, some of whom have stock piled material that can easily be re-introduced after banned sites are shut down. In fact there have been many shut downs, the sites pop up soon after, with stronger protocols'.
The filtering and blocking will not remove that stock piled content and so long as there is a consumer base, there will be reappearances' because someone will get rich by providing banned material, as I said, the laws are local, Banning something in the U.S. doesn't ban it in Canada.
Your right, The sexual dysfunction needs to seriously be dealt with, the violence toward women as a result needs to be dealt with, future ramifications could only get worse, extreme violence is not out of the question. I wont blame parenting, but they are the front line censors'. Browsers such as Google have responsibilities also, but they will operate within the laws that regulate them, Some, but not all user's will operate regardless of their breaking content laws.
The nets design flaw, enables law breaking.
The mental health of children was in essence on the minds of the developers of the net, there just wasn't an anticipation or foresight of the negative ramifications, the future vision of the net was on purely positive themes, The mass exchange of ideas, Some people developed abusive motives instead.
Notice I haven't provided an answer to those mental health issues, its because I haven't got one.
Also, I'm not defending porn, As you've shown, porn is too pervasive and damaging and I agree with that assessment, I'm just trying to demonstrate part of the difficulties involved in censoring the net.

Wiki search the following;
The Onion Router
The Dark Net
Bit Coin
Silk Road
Obscenity laws
Pornography laws

You will see for your selves the powers we are up against.
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No argument on the difficulties we are facing.

Perhaps the type of situation in this clip below on texting while enjoying sex, if it gets out too widespread, will bring people to recognize that we need to deal with our technology in a better way or change it altogether.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/re ... -addiction

It could be that we will have to take what the Brits have done further and deeper into the net.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-23401076

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This is how terrible policies and tyrannical governments are born.

You think of an idealized benefit from a policy -- wouldn't it be good if people were exposed to less porn?

While ignoring the costs -- giving government bureaucrats power over what you can do in your own home while not hurting anyone. You are way more trusting than I am, and that's even assuming they were completely well-intentioned. Ever hear of any governments abusing their power?

I suppose some people will try to make an argument that you are harming other people, but that is quite an expansive definition. What's next on your list? People can have lots of habits that are bad for people around them.
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GB wrote:Perhaps the type of situation in this clip below on texting while enjoying sex, if it gets out too widespread, will bring people to recognize that we need to deal with our technology in a better way or change it altogether.
This is the kind of thing that needs to work itself out. The government has no role here. If you're sleeping with someone that does this, and you both enjoy texting while going at it, then more power to you. No one else should tell you it's wrong. But if your partner does that and it destroys the intimacy for you, tell them to stop or get a new partner.
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Dexter:
This is how terrible policies and tyrannical governments are born.

You think of an idealized benefit from a policy -- wouldn't it be good if people were exposed to less porn?

While ignoring the costs -- giving government bureaucrats power over what you can do in your own home while not hurting anyone. You are way more trusting than I am, and that's even assuming they were completely well-intentioned. Ever hear of any governments abusing its power?

I suppose some people will try to make an argument that you are harming other people, but that is quite an expansive definition. What's next on your list? People can have lots of habits that are bad for people around them.

I considered all that you have written prior to my post, I actually thought that these concerns were a given. Which is part of the difficulty I tried presenting.

Pragmatically, what's to be done?

It seems to me though, that there could be room for experimentation on the cause and effect of some of what is available on the net, which is apparently being done at the present.

I thought that by demonstrating the difficulties of censorship, I was in a essence showing that I was in support for limited bureaucratic involvement, only that there should be limitations and cautions over content as well. I was attempting empathy toward the people GB linked too, While simultaneously wondering as you've suggested Dexter, Where to draw the line?.
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Taylor wrote: I considered all that you have written prior to my post, I actually thought that these concerns were a given. Which is part of the difficulty I tried presenting.

Pragmatically, what's to be done?
As far as I'm concerned, nothing that restricts peoples' freedom. There might be cases where that is justified, this doesn't even come close for me.

And it's not going to be effective anyway, 10-year-olds can probably get around government restrictions when it comes to the Internet.

I personally don't think that porn is as harmful as some people claim it is -- lots of things can be harmful if taken too far -- but by all means, have some kind of information campaign to try to get people to come around to your point of view.
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Dexter:
lots of things can be harmful if taken too far
This was the POV I was attempting to convey.

The information I presented was merely offered to expand some of that which GB had introduced, possibly into an area he hadn't considered.
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but by all means, have some kind of information campaign to try to get people to come around to your point of view.
My information campaign is no campaign at all, except maybe to agree with GB and you, that, as you have suggested, harm can be had if a thing is carried too far, Porn in this case, is that thing, that has been suggested for some, as one of those things that has been carried to far.

I'm not anti-porn, I'm not anti-nasty sex, but I am pro context, there is a serious problem going on if 10 year olds' have access to the crap that you must admit is out there. Pragmatically, what can be or should be done about it? I admitted that I don't have the answer, so for the sake of conversation, what would you suggest?
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Taylor wrote: I'm not anti-porn, I'm not anti-nasty sex, but I am pro context, there is a serious problem going on if 10 year olds' have access to the crap that you must admit is out there. Pragmatically, what can be or should be done about it? I admitted that I don't have the answer, so for the sake of conversation, what would you suggest?
It's up to parents to have conversations with their kids, to restrict their computer usage, etc.

I admit I haven't looked at some of the sources, but I'm not convinced there is some kind of crisis. Maybe kids playing World of Warcraft (or something else, I'm not up on the latest) for 12 hours a day is even more of a problem? I don't know.
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Dexter:
I'm not convinced there is some kind of crisis.
I'm not inclined to a crisis level either, it was not my intent to give that impression. thanks for your responses.
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Dexter wrote:This is how terrible policies and tyrannical governments are born.

You think of an idealized benefit from a policy -- wouldn't it be good if people were exposed to less porn?

While ignoring the costs -- giving government bureaucrats power over what you can do in your own home while not hurting anyone. You are way more trusting than I am, and that's even assuming they were completely well-intentioned. Ever hear of any governments abusing their power?

I suppose some people will try to make an argument that you are harming other people, but that is quite an expansive definition. What's next on your list? People can have lots of habits that are bad for people around them.
Governments already censor things like child porn. If they want to covertly add other restrictions they already have the power to do so.

I gave some startling and worrisome statistics of harm for our children and young adults.

If that is not enough to make you seek a solution then there is no way for me to jog your social conscience.

Education will reduce those numbers but not near enough for my taste.

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