The real problem with Atheism.

[Frank 013]

AsanaYou have offered nothing in the way of evidence of a god so far, so why don't you start with something that should be simple like "did Adam or Jesus ever actually exist?" They should have some material eveidence having been worldly, correct? Later

[Asana Bodhitharta]

Quote:The problem isn't that your grammar and syntax is so difficult that we can't follow itGrammer and syntax "are" not isI'm only kidding Saint Gasoline Alright then, let's get back to work.

[fleem]

The problem is that when believers talk about god, first they claim that proof can be found physically, then when you show it can't, they suddenly vault into the imaginary or mythological realm, where nothing can be proven. You can't talk sense to someone who says flying blue fairies did it.

[Asana Bodhitharta]

Quote:The problem is that when believers talk about god, first they claim that proof can be found physically, then when you show it can't, they suddenly vault into the imaginary or mythological realm, where nothing can be proven. You can't talk sense to someone who says flying blue fairies did it. Proof is found physically in everything you touch, see, hear, smell and feel. Consider that you did not create anything within you or without and then the only thing you have created within yourself is your state of disbelief.

[Frank 013]

Quote:Proof is found physically in everything you touch, see, hear, smell and feel.Proof of what? You have yet to show any reason to think anything other than natural laws have had anything to do with creation. And you have not shown that those laws were directed by anything either.Later

[Asana Bodhitharta]

Quote:Proof of what? You have yet to show any reason to think anything other than natural laws have had anything to do with creation. And you have not shown that those laws were directed by anything either.Natural laws? What are natural laws? How did these "Laws" come to be? What, who or how did they become laws?

[Frank 013]

Quote:What are natural laws? How did these "Laws" come to be? What, who or how did they become laws? Humans see forces at work, we name them, when they are consistent enough and after enough testing they become laws. They come from the natural world around us. We can see them, we can detect them, and we can measure them, and in some cases we can determine their cause. Later

[Asana Bodhitharta]

Quote:Humans see forces at work, we name them, when they are consistent enough and after enough testing they become laws. They come from the natural world around us. We can see them, we can detect them, and we can measure them, and in some cases we can determine their cause. I agree, Humans do see forces at work and yet when you say they come from the natural world around us, that would be impossible because these "laws" have placed the Natural order into its place.So we need to name the force that places laws in order and that IS ALLAH LORD OF ALL THE WORLDS.

[Frank 013]

Quote:We need to name the force that places laws in order and that IS ALLAH LORD OF ALL THE WORLDS.Prove it. Show me some test or data that proves Allah exists. You have utterly failed to do so at every turn.You keep pointing out examples that ALL have better expatiations than god, so please try something new. I know you will not find anything but go ahead and try.Later

[Asana Bodhitharta]

name the force that places laws in order.