Very good Landroid - The question must logically be asked "How can a person in get relief from a torment of flames?"
A mere drop of water is not a relief.
You didn't take the KJV version. This is what the KJV says (a bettering and more accurate rendering of scripture).
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. KJV
No flaming inferno is quenched by a mere drop of water!
There are many other passages that describe hell as dark and gloomy.
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Re: bob talks Hell with youkrst.
Bob, are you saying you believe there is a hell and it is dark and gloomy?
If so, why do you believe that?
If so, why do you believe that?
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Re: bob talks Hell with youkrst.
So far we've got hell as dark, gloomy, a flaming inferno, and the opposite of a traffic jam. 
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When you spread out your hands in prayer, I will hide My eyes from you; even though you multiply your prayers, I will not listen. Your hands are covered with blood.
Isaiah 1:15
But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
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When you spread out your hands in prayer, I will hide My eyes from you; even though you multiply your prayers, I will not listen. Your hands are covered with blood.
Isaiah 1:15
But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
Exodus 21: 23 - 25
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Re: bob talks Hell with youkrst.
Fire produces light, so how is Hell dark?brother bob wrote:Very good Landroid - The question must logically be asked "How can a person in get relief from a torment of flames?"
A mere drop of water is not a relief.
You didn't take the KJV version. This is what the KJV says (a bettering and more accurate rendering of scripture).
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. KJV
No flaming inferno is quenched by a mere drop of water!
There are many other passages that describe hell as dark and gloomy.
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Re: bob talks Hell with youkrst.
Hey guys this is in the book the EXACT scenario of what hell is. This alone is almost worth the price of the book. The Bible is simplex and complex at the same time. The complexity of hell is made simple!! Explaining the exact nuances of what hell is about!
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Re: bob talks Hell with youkrst.
Think of it this way. What is the closest hell that man could experience with no one interfering in their demise? No torture, no waterboarding - no personally inflicted pain.
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Re: bob talks Hell with youkrst.
Updated: so far we've got hell as dark, gloomy, a flaming inferno, the opposite of a traffic jam, no one interfering, and no torture. An inferno with gloom, darkness, and no torture?
Wait I think I've got it: Hell is a Zen Koan!
Wait I think I've got it: Hell is a Zen Koan!
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When you spread out your hands in prayer, I will hide My eyes from you; even though you multiply your prayers, I will not listen. Your hands are covered with blood.
Isaiah 1:15
But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
Exodus 21: 23 - 25
When you spread out your hands in prayer, I will hide My eyes from you; even though you multiply your prayers, I will not listen. Your hands are covered with blood.
Isaiah 1:15
But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
Exodus 21: 23 - 25
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Re: bob talks Hell with youkrst.
No FLAMING INFERNO! Didn't say that! So don't put that as something I stated. It is not that kind of place! Got it!
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Re: bob talks Hell with youkrst.
According to the KJV, which you quoted, it is.brother bob wrote:No FLAMING INFERNO! Didn't say that! So don't put that as something I stated. It is not that kind of place! Got it!
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. KJV
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Re: bob talks Hell with youkrst.
I stated this before. There is no inferno that a person could be in that a drop of water would bring relief.
The word torment in the original Greek is bananous, I believe, that means an emotional torment. NOT a physical one.
The word FLAME is used in the context that it is ALL CONSUMING - and I am fairly certain from my studies is that the word FLAME was a TEST - like a torture chamber with a RACK would test the body - and the body of course would lose. this is the case that with your TORMENT that you will not win the TEST.
Very sad and emotionally challenging to the person in such a place.
Men can stand an awful lot of physical pain. AND You need to find out what SPIRITUAL DEATH means.
I make an entire case that hell is not a BURNING INFERNO - based on God's word.
You see the atheist has said this wrong of God to torture man for eternity. I deal with this in the chapter.
But the torment of hell is by man playing over and over the REGRET of their stupid choice of rejecting the ways of God. God does not send people to hell, as much, as men send themselves their and God executes righteous judgment upon them.
A very profound chapter of the book. Maybe one of the best. Sadly!!!
The word torment in the original Greek is bananous, I believe, that means an emotional torment. NOT a physical one.
The word FLAME is used in the context that it is ALL CONSUMING - and I am fairly certain from my studies is that the word FLAME was a TEST - like a torture chamber with a RACK would test the body - and the body of course would lose. this is the case that with your TORMENT that you will not win the TEST.
Very sad and emotionally challenging to the person in such a place.
Men can stand an awful lot of physical pain. AND You need to find out what SPIRITUAL DEATH means.
I make an entire case that hell is not a BURNING INFERNO - based on God's word.
You see the atheist has said this wrong of God to torture man for eternity. I deal with this in the chapter.
But the torment of hell is by man playing over and over the REGRET of their stupid choice of rejecting the ways of God. God does not send people to hell, as much, as men send themselves their and God executes righteous judgment upon them.
A very profound chapter of the book. Maybe one of the best. Sadly!!!
