Flann 5 wrote:
I think we need a better understanding of history. How did France come to have so many Algerian immigrants and how have they treated them?
That's not something that can be answered in a couple of sentences. I'm sure you're not interested in me giving you a 10 paragraph answer, so why don't you tell me? Clearly, you have a point you wish to make so you need to make it.
You lambaste George W.Bush for his invasion of Iraq under a false pretext D.B. and rightly so. But you can't have it both ways. If U.S. intervention in Iraq and discriminatory sectarian mis-governance by the Shia rulers promoted radicalization of
of Sunnis then it's not just something produced out of thin air.
So are you saying that radicalization of the Muslims is the result of France mistreating Algerian immigrants?? France was far more involved in the affairs of Vietnam and I don't see even the most radicalized Vietnamese communists wanting to blow up the world over it.
It's not good enough to blame the Muslims and particularly all Muslims generally for all these things as if the west had no hand act or part in any of this.
My above statement shows why you're wrong. Your rationale is like when a serial killer is apprehended after killing 50 women and it is discovered that he suffered an abusive childhood. And you say, "He's not entirely responsible for his actions because of the abuse he suffered. He had all the love and compassion squashed out of him at a young age." I say bunk. Lots of people were raised in abusive families and don't resort to murdering innocent people. He's entirely responsible for his own actions. Likewise, lots of countries and peoples have suffered abuse at the hands of colonizers and don't act like the Muslims do--it's just bunk!
Look at American blacks. If anyone had a reason to be radicalized and set off bombs and go on shooting sprees, it would be them. And yet how often do you see it? Yes, there is a sizable dysfunctionality in part of the black-American society but other blacks suffer mostly from it. They haven't turned the whole of America into a warzone although they could if they wanted to. So, no, it's just bunk that the West radicalized the Muslims but I'll agree that it did not come out of thin air. It comes from the Koran which teaches exactly what the radicals themselves expound. You either become a Muslim or you die. Now, the bible has its share of insanity that Christians and Jews could use to turn this country into another Syria but they don't. It's peculiar to Islam.
There is no credible reason that Muslims couldn't have responded to any persecutions from the West in a reasonable, civilized manner.
The West persecuted us = Global Islamic Totalitarianism doesn't compute with me. One way to observe this was during America's occupation of Iraq when Sunni and Shia went to war in the streets of Baghdad. With no Americans or Israelis handy, they turned their hatred on one another. At one point, Shiites set up check points and when a car stopped at one, the guards asked the names of the occupants. Anyone with a "Sunni name" was dragged out and shot right then and there. It has not lessened but is growing worse. This is simply not civilized behavior. It is this same sectarian split that has caused the war in Syria--not Israel, not the United States. It would have happened even the US or Israel didn't exist. It's violence that didn't need to happen, it wasn't forced on them but entirely self-imposed.
For sure Isil and it's ideology are a dangerous threat as their actions show and unfortunately the likely 'solution' in Syria of maintaining Assad's regime in power will just confirm the view of many Arabs that the non Arab superpowers have no real interest in justice.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 41146.html
That would be the case no matter what because radical Islam has a vested interest in keeping the conflict going. It is radical Islam that has no interest in justice and certainly not in peace. Bad for their business. They are like the NRA, they want to keep people in fear and full of hate because that's what serves their purposes. There will be no peace as long as they exist because they will make sure of it.